Description:
A lot of folks who don't offer critique (who aren't doing so for selfish reasons) don't offer suggestions because they don't feel qualified. They don't have the terminology, the technical skills, the poetic know-how, or the formal education overall.
This workshop is intended to serve the needs of readers and writers who want a foundation for suggesting revisions and giving writing advice.
A new area of focus will be shared every week for six weeks, but participants will be able to follow the workshop at their own pace beyond the six weeks.
Leader: swamp-witch
Moderator(s): weirdelf
Objectives:
By following my critique blogs and some additional scholarship, together we will explore different writing concerns for poetry. These writing concerns include content, flow, word efficiency, imagery, literary devices, syntax, and more. During this workshop we will learn how to identify, analyze, and discuss these features of writing for the benefit of our own poetry and the poetry of others.
This is not a workshop for poets to workshop any of their own writing; it is an in-depth introduction to critique where we will explore “anonymous” poetry.
Level of expertise: Open to all
Subject matter: Critique and Understanding Writing Concerns
To join this workshop, please express your interest in being a participant in the comment section below. Thank you!
Comments
raj
Tue, 2018-06-12 15:50
Hi Kelsey
Good objectives of the workshop very much in sync with Neopoet guidelines as a workshop site. Wondering if you would be posting a sample poem and invite critique and/or suggestions from participants and then providing your inputs.
Raising my hand
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raj (sublime_ocean)
swamp-witch
Tue, 2018-06-12 16:35
Raj,
You asked "would you be posting a sample poem and invite critique and/or suggestions from participants and then providing your inputs"
That's exactly what we'll do!
Kelsey
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raj
Wed, 2018-06-13 14:08
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raj (sublime_ocean)
swamp-witch
Tue, 2018-06-12 17:05
lol, yes!
I want to make sure any questions asked are answered as clearly as possible for people who come later, so I will continue to follow that format of repeating the question and stating who asked it.
The comment sections of workshops tend to get very long, and sometimes confusing, so I am going to try to avoid that as best as possible.
Hope you'll join, even if you just want to watch what goes on. I know not everyone has time to participate.
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raj
Wed, 2018-06-13 14:08
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raj (sublime_ocean)
weirdelf
Wed, 2018-06-13 13:30
Please remember we cross all the world's time-zones
and that this is a volunteer site, raj.
Even during a workshop 2-3 days should be allowed before getting impatient, and this one doesn't start until the 18th!
cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry
raj
Wed, 2018-06-13 14:09
weirdelf & swampwith
My apologies to you both for being over enthusiastic....I am withdrawing my registration of interest which was premature...supposedly objectionable comments are now deleted...
having said that may i draw your kind attention to "To join this workshop, please express your interest in being a participant in the comment section below."
regards and best wishes for the workshop
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raj (sublime_ocean)
swamp-witch
Wed, 2018-06-13 22:29
I saw nothing objectionable
(unless I missed something) and there is no need to get hasty, any of us.
Let's start over.
Raj, welcome. Please stay if and only if you would like. I thought you meant your hand was up to ask the question. So I didn't want to assume that you were on board to participate. But you meant your hand was raised to participate. And it was raised for a long time. I got it now!
Everything is okay and we are here to learn and have a nice workshop. Misunderstanding-free and conflict-free. Have had too much of that in the "real world" the past few weeks.
Let's all stay calm, respect each other, and be patient with each other. Critique is the only tough stuff we need to have here.
Kels
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raj
Thu, 2018-06-14 05:25
Thanks for your words Kelsey
Thanks for your words Kelsey which now make me feel less as a culprit. I will follow your workshop for sure though not as an active participant. With due respect requesting you to absent my name from the list.
I've already said before that you have come up with this great workshop at an appropriate time when Neopoet would like members to critique.
respectfully...
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raj (sublime_ocean)
swamp-witch
Thu, 2018-06-14 14:19
Raj,
Of course. Feel free to ask questions at any time.
Kelsey
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raj
Thu, 2018-06-14 14:42
Thanks Kelsey for
Thanks Kelsey for understanding. I will be watchful now while asking questions so that I don't step on toes.
Regards..
raj (sublime_ocean)
scribbler
Wed, 2018-06-13 14:13
#metoo
If you don't mind
swamp-witch
Wed, 2018-06-13 22:29
Of course!
Happy to have you, always.
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raj
Thu, 2018-06-14 15:00
Correct me if I am wrong
would it be fair to expect that this workshop would focus on certain key factors, such as,
a) Why Critique [To generate interest on the aspect]
b) The process [the real substance of the workshop]
c) Critique v/s Suggestion
d) Etiquette
e) Benefits
I am asking this because in my opinion this is what a currently not critiquing participant may want to learn
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raj (sublime_ocean)
swamp-witch
Thu, 2018-06-14 16:04
Raj,
Yes, a little bit of all those factors you listed will be covered, but it will largely focus on the process. The "why", the "etiquette", the "benefits", and difference between critique and suggestion will be interwoven into the workshop, if that makes sense. The focus will still be on how to critique the different concerns mentioned in the syllabus: syntax, content, imagery, literary devices, flow, etc.
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raj
Thu, 2018-06-14 16:12
Oh yeah....most of it is
Oh yeah....most of it is covered in the syllabus. I stand corrected...
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raj (sublime_ocean)
swamp-witch
Fri, 2018-06-15 01:12
J,
You're in!
Kels
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swamp-witch
Fri, 2018-06-15 11:31
Mark
You're in!
Kels
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raj
Fri, 2018-06-15 17:21
As a preparatory assignment I
As a preparatory assignment I searched for the meaning of Critique which says thus
As a Noun:;- a detailed analysis and assessment of something, especially a literary, philosophical, or political theory.
As a verb:- evaluate (a theory or practice) in a detailed and analytical way.
i thought that this would be a starting point to understand what this work shop would unveil..
eagerly
raj (sublime_ocean)
weirdelf
Thu, 2018-07-05 08:47
Am I being checky, by rehrasing this? I hope it helps.
As a nown, it is much much more. Not a dog or chair. Nouns at their best express a plethora of meaning, not limited oblects, ideas, concepts.
As a verb, not to walk, or srike of swin but to bee an action that informs out concepots of deepo concepts.
We will fin great meanig in outselves, concepts and words by epanding what parts of pechh really mean.
If I'm wrong or off make pleade tell me so,
[{That the hell is going on? I man not frunk or mental but have fogotten how to spell]
cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry
raj
Thu, 2018-07-05 13:46
may be it was inappropriate
may be it was inappropriate that I shared those meanings... I will be mindful..
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raj (sublime_ocean)
weirdelf
Mon, 2018-07-09 05:30
you are usually mindful, raj
and above all have the courage to admit when you are not.
I applaud you, sir.
cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry
raj
Mon, 2018-07-09 06:15
Thank you Jess for this
Thank you Jess for this acknowledgement.
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raj (sublime_ocean)
raj
Fri, 2018-06-15 17:41
would it be fair to say
would it be fair to say
critique is to find
where the shoe hurts
it should be the best fit
for the terrain
if not. mend its ways
for the purpose they are meant
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raj (sublime_ocean)
weirdelf
Thu, 2018-07-05 08:48
Maybe find a better word
For shoe.
cheers,
Jess
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'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
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raj
Thu, 2018-07-05 13:44
Noted...
Noted...
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raj (sublime_ocean)
weirdelf
Mon, 2018-07-09 05:32
why do Buddhists wear ripple soled sandles?
To give the ants a fifty/fifty chance. [grins]
Perhaps your shoe was a good fit.
cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry
raj
Mon, 2018-07-09 06:18
I liked to know Jess about
I liked to know Jess about why Buddhists were rippled soled sandles
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raj (sublime_ocean)
scribbler
Fri, 2018-06-15 19:03
critique
Well, a person can let a poem lie for a period of time then come back and look at it with fresh eyes which often reveal problems. Or we can encourage others to be honest in posting and thus have multiple fresh eyes check it out in a few days. This is where Neopoet is unique . Here we can Expect honesty rather than just run across it once in a great while.
swamp-witch
Fri, 2018-06-15 22:58
Stan and Raj,
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raj
Sat, 2018-06-16 04:42
sounds interesting this
sounds interesting this "cutting edge terminology" and good to know that those edges would not be sharp to be intimidating but i guess more like a butter knife (used for application)
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raj (sublime_ocean)
scribbler
Sat, 2018-06-16 07:35
OMG
"terminology of academic discourse"......are you Trying to make me withdraw?
swamp-witch
Sat, 2018-06-16 09:24
Stan,
Did you see my comment "If that sounds intimidating in any way, please be assured that these new ways are easier and less painful than they've ever been" ?
The new ways that people are developing in education literally boil down to:
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scribbler
Sat, 2018-06-16 15:14
My sarcasm
didn't carry over I guess. But there Have been times where some academics have really pissed me off via nit picking things
swamp-witch
Sat, 2018-06-16 16:39
Wasn't sure!
I need an LOL or something of that nature to help me catch sarcasm.
There will be no nit-picking here, promise!
Kels
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raj
Sat, 2018-06-16 17:20
workshops are for learning
workshops are for learning and would most likely involve the 3 Rs...reading writing and reproducing...so Stan we should be prepared for that....the methodologies may change but I believe the essence of learning process remains the same..mathematics when taught as mathemagic becomes fun...
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raj (sublime_ocean)
weirdelf
Mon, 2018-07-09 05:34
It sounds inspiring and very positive to me.
I can already see how this approach can work not just in poetry critique but in life in general.
cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry
weirdelf
Sat, 2018-06-16 02:38
My interest is now particularly piqued, Kelsey,
As this will be newish ground for me having not kept up with the latest in academic discourse.
So I have taken the liberty of adding myself as participant in addition to my role as moderator.
cheers,
Jess
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'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
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swamp-witch
Sat, 2018-06-16 12:38
Testing - checking format (please ignore)
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swamp-witch
Mon, 2018-06-18 01:01
Introduction
The terminology for writing concerns differs depending on the type of writing, but composition scholars and educators often create hierarchies of the concerns that are pertinent to their type of writing. These hierarchies help teach writers how to prioritize the revision, editing, and feedback process.
Focus, structure (organization), and audience are some of the highest concerns for essay writing. Word choice and spelling are some of the lowest concerns. Why is that? Because dictionaries and automatic spell checkers can go far and in a long piece of non-fiction prose like an essay, a few typos are much less critical to the overall understanding of the piece than a clear focus and well-defined topic.
We can fit poetic writing concerns into a hierarchy just like these, but the order of our concerns will be different. For the poet, every single word should be very important. In free verse, structure may hold little concern, but for haiku and sonnets structure is a top priority.
During each section of the workshop, we will first spend time discussing and learning about these writing concerns, then with the tools at our disposal we will apply our learning to a poem.
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swamp-witch
Mon, 2018-06-18 01:03
Optional Further Reading
If you are new to analyzing or critiquing poetry all together, you may want to check out some of the following resources:
Kelsey
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weirdelf
Mon, 2018-07-09 06:28
The first reading-
https://www.neopoet.com/swamp-witch/blog/tue-2018-01-02-1454
The recap:
-We’re all peers here and we’re all here to learn and grow!
-Try using the “Review Requests” as a starting point for giving and receiving critique.
-Critique is not the same as an attack! If you feel like you have been personally attacked, contact myself or another advocate in a Private Message
Every one of Kelsey's readings here is invaluable. I wish I had a tablet,sitting up at my tower is not as comfortable for reading. I will get one soon!
cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
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Barbara Writes
Wed, 2018-07-25 00:37
That helps
Its why Ive been on my tablets for years. As tonight I’m lying down as I’ve been doing since my laptop days in 2008 when sitting at a desktop was most unbearable physically still to this day. Sound like a fun worshop.
*Collaborative Poetry Workshop* American Version of Japanese Poetry ~ Renga ~ Haiku, Senyru, Tanka.
Neopoet Community
weirdelf
Mon, 2018-07-09 06:30
Kelsey, some of these links seem to be no longer working,
a pity, they are all invaluable and some very entertaining and funny.
Keep trying everyone.
cheers,
Jess
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'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry
swamp-witch
Tue, 2018-07-10 19:52
Hey Jess,
It looks like I had issues with copying and pasting to the other parts because the blogs are still there. They are "Of Critiques and Using Suggestions for Editing" and "Of Critiques and Developing Your Skills as a Critic"
Here are the proper links:
Part 2: https://www.neopoet.com/swamp-witch/blog/tue-2018-01-02-1450
Part 3: https://www.neopoet.com/swamp-witch/blog/tue-2018-01-02-1500
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swamp-witch
Sun, 2018-08-05 22:20
Katie,
Welcome back! I am so sorry that you caught the workshop (or maybe just me) in a slump. I am hoping to post the final section this week.
I also didn't agree with all of the essays in the least bit, but I thought it was good to share the differing perspectives that I had found. The author of the Writers Cafe article really demonstrates the "it came from the heart and therefore it is already perfect" outlook that many people have. Which doesn't work for me. I think Neopoet, mostly in the past, had the opposite problem of others tearing each other down: people wouldn't critique at all. But it is two sides of the same coin: people who think their work is automatically perfect will feel that any critique offered to them is tearing them down and is useless and they are the same people who won't give others critique either.
I will see if the DeviantArt tutorial is still floating around somewhere!
It's good to see you again,
Kelsey
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swamp-witch
Mon, 2018-06-18 14:36
Mark,
No worries at all. This workshop is intended to be self-paced. I'll post the main topic once a week for six weeks, but will keep the workshop open much longer than that and can return to any week for any input/feedback at any time. There will also be document versions available soon for anyone who wants to print and read/take notes at their leisure.
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swamp-witch
Tue, 2018-06-19 11:41
Before Our Activity: On "Errors"
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swamp-witch
Sat, 2018-06-23 13:36
Optional Reading: Variation in Syntax (Long post)
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raj
Sat, 2018-06-23 13:49
Thanks Kelsey
for providing resources and excerpt. Honestly [in the context of critique workshop] it is not telling me if syntax errors should / should not be a target of critique. If I may put my query in perspective, is it that a person holding fork in his right hand instead of the traditional left, be overlooked?
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raj (sublime_ocean)
swamp-witch
Sat, 2018-06-23 14:38
Hey Raj,
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raj
Sat, 2018-06-23 14:57
Thanks Kelsey for
Thanks Kelsey for highlighting the points..
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raj (sublime_ocean)
weirdelf
Mon, 2018-07-09 06:45
You just know that whilst I won't disagree with you on this,
there are exceptions.
When Jane, Serendipity, first joined us her work was pretty much on a 'roses are red, violets are blue' level but she has grown to be one of our finest published poets.
Another, who shall not be named, used Neopoet as an evangelical base for verse that never rose above the most trite, derivative, cliched doggeral and never showed any inclination to respond to feedback or even read others works. Just how kind and giving can we be as the recipients of such repeated spits in the face? I have practiced a great deal more kindness and support for years now but see no reason to encourage such people to continue to be members. I believe such people need to be told they are wrong, and crappy poets and frankly, why not, tell them to fuck off?
cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry
raj
Mon, 2018-07-09 07:00
Jess I appreciate the
Jess I appreciate the sentiments expressed by you. The existing and new members should read the guidelines which are available via the link in your signature. If they do then they should be open to the action proposed by you as a responsible member and contributor to Neopoet.
It is good that "The Lab" once launched will be a step in the right direction to encourage critique which perhaps would also enable to identify those who would not contribute to critique providing a base to escalate action about elimination after having given them a democratic option to follow the guidelines
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raj (sublime_ocean)
swamp-witch
Tue, 2018-06-19 11:57
Part 1: Syntax
So, we will start by learning some of the terminology and skills needed to critique syntax. Please start by reading the section on syntax (last section) in my blog post here: https://www.neopoet.com/swamp-witch/blog/wed-2018-06-06-1306
Syntax Terminology
Note: I am using syntax as a catch-all term for mechanics, word choice (diction), grammar, and sentence structure in a poem. Sometimes the term syntax is not used this way. Syntax Definition: https://literarydevices.net/syntax/
For critiquing syntax, the reader may address grammar, spelling, punctuation, mechanics, word choice, and sentence structure (or maybe “thought structure” if the poem doesn’t use complete sentences). The pertinent “Review Request” on Neopoet’s poem submission page is “How was my language use?” In terms of those hierarchies of concerns that we talked about before, in writing essays these are considered lower order concerns. Nonetheless, for the poet, with our limited writing space and sometimes restrictive forms, every word is important so syntax becomes a higher order concern. Critiquing syntax should include more than proofreading/spell-checking.
How to critique syntax:
Some sample phrases for critiquing syntax:
If you need to learn more about syntax before proceeding, check out the following resources:
Please ask any questions you may have at any time. The critique activity will be posted tomorrow, Wednesday the 20th, but questions are welcome at any time during the workshop.
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weirdelf
Thu, 2018-07-05 09:18
This is a superbly written piece on syntax
and clarified my thoughts and undertanding of it significantly.
If I may offer offer examples of syntax enhanceing the poem significantly.
Roger McGouh's "At lunch time a story of love" use words joined together to create both a sense of pace and the main character's exuberance-
[Except]
When the busstopped suddenly to avoid
damaging a mother and child in the road, the
younglady in the greenhat sitting opposite
was thrown across me,
and not being one to miss an opportunity
I started to makelove
with all my body.
ee cummings used his syntax to in two ways. One, to emphasis his self-proclaimed profound brilliance in disepensing with traditional grammer and spelling. The other as a way of saying that poetry need not be more that meaning. A certain humility..
What the hellis happening to my spelling? Is the a syntactic device? I think not, it's got me worried.
cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry
scribbler
Thu, 2018-07-05 16:04
Hi Kelsey
I think the best part of your sample critiques is that they encourage people to say Why they find something not quite right. By specifying one not only helps the writer but also clarifies their own thinking....stan
swamp-witch
Tue, 2018-06-19 12:04
Link to Printable Workshop Document from Intro through Syntax
Short version (exactly what is posted to Neopoet):
http://kelsey-burroughs.weebly.com/uploads/1/4/2/9/14295182/neopoet_copy...
Long version (lots more reading and free academic resources):
http://kelsey-burroughs.weebly.com/uploads/1/4/2/9/14295182/the_great_bi...
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raj
Tue, 2018-06-19 13:37
It's a good information
It's a good information resource provided by you in these opening sessions. Also liked few examples provided for critiquing where the poet has made a review request about language use
Thanks Kelsey....
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raj (sublime_ocean)
swamp-witch
Thu, 2018-06-21 17:30
First exercise!
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tyro
Fri, 2018-06-22 11:27
I would like to join
I would like to join
T
The most powerful reaction
of mind on mind
is transference of sight
swamp-witch
Fri, 2018-06-22 16:40
Tyro,
Welcome aboard! There is no rush, please feel free to work through the material at your own pace and ask questions whenever you need.
Kelsey
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swamp-witch
Mon, 2018-06-25 17:00
Hey everyone,
Week two's topic/work will be posted later this week as I am experiencing both family troubles and computer troubles as well as several doctor's appointments this week.
Week two's topic will be critiquing literary devices, so you can read the brief overview on literary devices on my blog here: https://www.neopoet.com/swamp-witch/blog/wed-2018-06-06-1306
If anyone has not critiqued the syntax poem, please do so when you can: https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/poems/syntax-sample-poem-critique-workshop
Thank you for your patience,
Kelsey
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weirdelf
Mon, 2018-07-09 07:23
The last paragraph of this piece is of particular pertinence.
https://www.neopoet.com/swamp-witch/blog/wed-2018-06-06-1306
It addresses how we reach those we write to.-
"Remember: Syntax is an important part of the poem and every word should count. There is more than one valid way to express oneself and the “correction” of “errors” of non-standard dialect is a complicated issue steeped in colonialism, racism, and the exclusion of poor or non-white people from education across the western world. So have a conversation about the writer’s choice of syntax instead of “correcting” (unless it’s clearly just a simple typo)."
cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry
raj
Tue, 2018-06-26 05:10
Don't worry Kelsey...we shall
Don't worry Kelsey...we shall be patient....we know that you are a devoted person in what you do...and also know that everyone has other responsibilities too ...nice of you to keep us updated...
please take care and hope you would be free of some troubling issues you mentioned...
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raj (sublime_ocean)
raj
Thu, 2018-06-28 16:22
I have already visited
I have already visited earlier the Blog mentioned by you Kelsey and also commented upon it...good value addition on imagery...and using words to appeal to all senses
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raj (sublime_ocean)
raj
Fri, 2018-06-29 17:12
Kelsey
please don't be rushed to answer this...
do you agree that titles are an important component of a literary work.....i think they are which gravitate a reader to look inside.....it would be nice if during the course of this workshop you could also throw some light on titles as a a literary device...just a thought I thought worthy of sharing with you...
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raj (sublime_ocean)
swamp-witch
Fri, 2018-06-29 21:25
Raj,
Will do, during the content section.
Thanks!
Kelsey
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scribbler
Fri, 2018-06-29 23:47
very good
In my unlearned opinion titles can be an encouragement to go on and read a poem.
swamp-witch
Thu, 2018-07-05 19:32
Part Two: Literary Devices
Thanks everyone, for your patience. Let's take the remainder of the workshop at a slower pace than once per week, if no one minds.
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Often, literary devices are what set poetry and prose apart. Both use literary devices, but the devices employed in poetry and prose typically differ (although there is some overlap). For example, the literary devices in prose are often used for rhetorical purposes while the literary devices in poetry often serve to create musicality and memorability in a poem.
Here is a brief glossary of literary devices:
In a poem, the use of literary devices is what gives the poem its “literariness” or what make it sound poetic. Two of the most obvious devices that lend poetic sound to a poem are meter and rhyme. The critique of meter and rhyme, or any single literary device, could constitute their own entire workshop. We’ve had several about meter on Neopoet! Here are some more in-depth discussions of meter and rhyme:
Meter:
Rhyme:
How to critique literary devices: (repeated from "how to critique syntax", but specific to literary devices)
Further Optional Reading Resources and poem activity will follow soon.
Thanks,
Kelsey
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raj
Fri, 2018-07-06 05:24
Thanks Kelsey
for this update. Shall follow the reading material via links provided at leisure.
regards..
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raj (sublime_ocean)
swamp-witch
Tue, 2018-07-10 19:59
Literary Devices Poem for Critique
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/poems/literary-devices-sample-poem-crit...
Please critique at your own pace. Note that the "Last Few Words" portion of the poem gives the instructions, which differ from the instructions in the syntax poem.
Thank you,
Kelsey
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weirdelf
Tue, 2018-07-24 23:59
Kelsey has a lot on her plate at the moment
and has asked me to post another optional literary devices sample poem.
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/poems/literary-devices-sample-poem-ii-c...
Looking forward to your critiques
cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry
weirdelf
Mon, 2018-07-30 21:32
digs out the crusty old cans of fluorescent paint
Welcome back Katie and no more sleeping on the job for Paul, ceiling bound [teehee].
The trick with this workshop is to actually read some of the recommended readings and maybe start near the beginning with Kelsey's post
https://www.neopoet.com/comment/157841#comment-157841
I'll add you to the workshop now.
cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry
weirdelf
Mon, 2018-07-30 23:54
if it's ok
I'd really like to give you a
(((hugs)))
I've seen what a rough time you've had and it is fucking splendid that you are back and writing again.
cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry
Eumolpus
Tue, 2018-11-27 16:55
Hi Kelsy
I just found your workshop, and would like to be engaged. I can't see how to join in...
just confirm and I'll try to catch up...there's a big thread...but I'll try!
Eumolpus
I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing
than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance
ee cummings
weirdelf
Wed, 2019-01-09 08:56
You're in!
and welcome.
Here are a few links to help you catch up but don't get overwhelmed. It's all optional.
https://www.neopoet.com/comment/158047#comment-158047
https://www.neopoet.com/comment/158166#comment-158166
https://www.neopoet.com/comment/157921#comment-157921
https://www.neopoet.com/comment/158755#comment-158755
There has been a holiday hiatus so it is an ideal time to join in.
cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry
Jenifer James
Tue, 2023-06-06 01:41
Hi would love to join (I was here a few years ago)
As above... getting into poetry workshops more and more. I have recently heard a member of a local poetry group receive very harsh verbal critique which drove her to tears and shocked the rest of us... and learning 'how' to critique poetry in a both nurturing AND intelligent, helpful and forward ways seems essential to me...
So, I will have a look at the links you have already posted. Thank you!
Jenifer Jaspa James
swamp-witch
Thu, 2023-06-15 14:10
Hello Jenifer,
This particular workshop is closed, but we have lots of information around the site about this kind of critique you're interested in: both nurturing and intelligent. Please feel free to also check out our Resources page which has even more:
https://www.neopoet.com/resources
I am also happy to answer any questions you have!
Take care,
Kelsey
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